[Death's Die-Ary]: lol yea thats wut i meant to say

[My own Disaster]: ...anyway, metal is good....but John Lennon and the beatles are still and will always be number 1 in my book

[The Scarlet Pumpernickle]: I'm not saying I can't read it...I'm saying you could make it easier...but whatever...you don't have to

[Death's Die-Ary]: oh um okay

[My own Disaster]: nah, easier for you maybe,i have my form of typing down man, it took like maybe 15 seconds at most to type this, sure it has its errors, but its mostly readable, and meh. ^^

[My own Disaster]: ....anyway i must depart....i'll come back if theres some more arguing its what i do best if you couldnt tell....see ya'll

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Hey [My own Disaster] Sorry that I didn't put ur name up there. I couldn't remember how the capitalization and stuff was I knew there was an underscore in there somewhere but couldn't remember where. Anyway, I put ur name up there now. Sorry for the delay....

[Dragonis999]: Y'see, [My own Disaster], the diference between Rancid and Good Charlotte is the goodcahrlotte are some motherfucks who sing crappy music, and wear too much eyeliner because they think their punk, and Rancid is punk and doesnt suck on their record lables dick. (if you want me to tone this down, I might)

[My own Disaster]: thats an interesting concept i must say..but....in that "if i fall back down" they are preaching....friendship?...good charlotte does the same...and i happen to remember in the viddy the had 1 of the GC guys playing cards with him, and who else?kelly osborne...that right there speaks for itself...plus...they are way to old to singing, im sorry,maybe 10 years ago,but not now,age has killed them,annnnd here i have something for ya'll to check out...look up the name Marc Bolan and T-Rex,those were the guys my dad used to listen to...they were actually one of the first punk bands to hit the scene, not the ramones or sex pistols...in fact...when the ramones came out the were considered to be a

[My own Disaster]: band like good charlotte....anyway...t rex turned into glam rock and sucked the rest of their career till marc died.....anyway yeah....sorry this is so long...and thanks ectasy i appreciate it ^^

[Dragonis999]: I never realy saw that video. And who says they can't preach freindship? Just cuz good charlotte did something doesnt mean they can't do it. 

[Itsme2]: Hey, no one's too old to be singing.  Were you talking about GC or Rancid? Oh, well, it doesn't matter. I like their music and that's all that matters. I hate it when people write off perfectly good music just because they don't like the people making it.

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: I personally don't like Rancid. Well not there new song (never heard any of the old stuff) and it absolutely sucks ass! Also, you're really never too old to make music. But some people just our. They get old and become posers. I'm not talking about Rancid imparticular but it can happen....

[Itsme2]: Eh...Rancid...I'm neutral about them. But, yeah, no one is ever too old to be making music. 

[My own Disaster]: well i have beef with rancid and gc because they say they are punk and all that fun stuff...i dont want ot get into all that right now because im tired as hell, but anyway.....yeah theres a certain age when you start to suck.....they have to be in their 40's right? i wouldnt know thye just look old,correct me if im wrong...but i dont know... ever heard the expression its better to burn out then just fade away?same applys for music..

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: HEY! Thats not true all the time. My dad is fifty five and he is the best Rock N' Roller of all time. He's not famous or anything. But thats not really what its about. The only reason you start to get crappy when you get older is because you become more mature (and sometimes self righteous) which always screws up good rock n' roll. But some people are naturally childish. Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional!

[My own Disaster]: meh i'll make an exeption...i forgot my neighbor is a doors cover type band and they are pretty good, but thats because old guys playing old music works, old guys doing punk and grunge doesnt..

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: *nods* very good point....

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: My dad does goth and basically any thing else. But he doesn't do punk crap. (with the exception of Green Day)

[Typical Cracka Behavior]: punk isn't crap.....listen to The Subhumans and Black Flag..

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Ummm..... sorry. Misworded. No. Punk isn't crap. But our point was middle aged guys doing it. IT would be. Hey, I've just realized the reason older people can't do punk and grunge! Because those songs are full of teenage rebellion and teenage problems. With... life, identity and blah blah blah. And a middle age guy doing it makes him look like he's trying to either be young or really is just that immature.

[My own Disaster]: exactly! hence rancid! and thats why the fucking suck

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Hey, same with The Cure. YUCK!

[My own Disaster]: -dies- i lvoe the cure hahah, god they are 1 of the only good bands that came out of the 80's plus htey are nothing like rancid,and dont talk about teen problems

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Well I think their new stuff sucks! It's just.... annoying!

[reaper of time]: avril sucks

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: WOW! *look of awe comes across face* I'm so impressed by your vocabulary and solid opinion. Just when I was thinking that we weren't going to be getting an intelligent opinion in this comment section you came along and wrote "avril sucks". *starts solemnly clapping* bravo! bravo!

[The Scarlet Pumpernickle]: ha I nearly died laughing.....ahh I love sarcasem....Go [*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]!!

[My own Disaster]: he/she copuldve atleast specified what she sucked at ;/

[Diab Soule]: Ok...Avril sucks at being a real person and sucks at NOT contradicting herself.

[My own Disaster]: ....she sucks at being real? this should be interesting, explain

[Diab Soule]: she quit school to become a country singer...but then a music corperation found her and turned her into something else....

[Diab Soule]: for my full views on it, visit my wiki avril haters

[My own Disaster]: ...and tell me where shes at now...she went off in her own direction from that....

[Diab Soule]: yea...well if she has....then she really DOES need someone to tell her what to do...because she says really stupid shit...once again visit said wiki and see for yourself. after reading that we can further continure this argument i suppose.

[My own Disaster]: alright give me a bit, i'm kindve busy at the moment

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Hey [Diab Soule]. Not trying to debunk all of ur evidence against avril and the quotes and such. But is there anyway you can get a reference as to where and when she said everything. I mean you can't say someone said something without proof of your proof.

[Itsme2]: Ok, why is this turning into a debate? It's really not that big of a deal if you think about it. You either like her music, or you don't. it's as simple as that.

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Yeah, well actually the point is whether or not she is "fake" and a "poser" and demoting punk to pop and blah blah blah.

[Dragonis999]: She wore a to-to with combat boots. 'Nuff said. And if she did go in her own direction, why is she not a country singer?

[The Scarlet Pumpernickle]: Ah HA I was in a play...and part of the promotion poster said " 'Nuff said" and my little sister says "Who's Nuff?" lol I nearly died!

[Diab Soule]: YM magazine, countless articles, just stuff i've looked up at MTV, VH1, Entertainment Weekly and junk like that...She's said a lot of this crap while being interviewed. So ....yea...there you go. Just look around and you'll find it.

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: alrighty,

[Diab Soule]: http://recroommagazine.com/articles/avril.htm

[My own Disaster]: ummm maybe she opted for a different style?its definately nothing close to punkish/what have you anymore, and she hangs out with nichole richie and fucking paris hilton,so i'm pretty sure shes not trying to be "punk" nuff said

[Diab Soule]: she said she was punk...she even said it in Newsweek...dammit i wish i could find that article...

[My own Disaster]: ...yeah thatd be interesting to read..

[Diab Soule]: it really wasn't...it was pretty bland....

[Itsme2]: No, but seriously, it just seems to me like every one takes this Avril thing way too seriously. 

[My own Disaster]: meh,i dont care either, way i'm just sick of hearing people thrash on anyone, its not that i like her, or hate her, im neutral on a lot of people, i'll defend even the crappiest bands if they get made fun of enough, dont ask why, maybe i jsut like a good argument :/

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: http://www.alavigne.com/information/articles/index.php

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: The above site basically has a bunch of articles about avril. It doesn't have this supposed newsweek one. I'm currently trying to sort through it. But I figured you all would find it to be interesting....

[Diab Soule]: it isn't supposed....i read it right out of the magazine....and yea....she's said a lot of her shit at awards shows, press thingys, and basically everywhere else.

[popeyethecat]: I'm srry, I could respect Avril if she didn't say she was punk.

[My own Disaster]: can anyone really tell me what punk music is to you? im just wondering to see what all of your opinions are...

[Dragonis999]: Punk, is well, punk. Its hard for me to describe. I geuss being ounk is more what people say about you. If someone comes up to me and tells me that they were punk I woiuldent buy it, cuz realy its just an opinion. So I geuss I have no reason to bash avril, or GC, or simple plan, if people say there punk, so fucking what?

[My own Disaster]: EXACTLY! someone understands! dragonis i couldntve said it better myself thank you for enlightening us all that was beautiful

[Dragonis999]: I still think Avril sucks. But I devieded to give up on the whole "Avril is not punk" shpeil.

[My own Disaster]: again i agree,her music is god awful but thats not the point..

[Dragonis999]: New thought, punk is life, whatever you make it.

[My own Disaster]: thats wrong....theres tons of straights in the world...but im sure they may have rebelled at some point or another in their life

[Dragonis999]: wha?

[My own Disaster]: nvm,maybe i musenderstood how you were trying to say that

[TAKE YOUR PILLS.©]: what's with the labels..

[Grey Eyes]: XD interesting ideas. Hmm, I just wanted to say that I just find it interesting that Avril's music is called "punk rock" when in all reality it is the purest form of "pop" ...yeah...

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: I know! I can't stand that! Her music is SO pop! But whatever...

[My own Disaster]: interesting... i go into my local music shop (which is a very mainstreem shop) and shes under pop rock?..

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Well at most music shops they list pop and rock at the same place, but alot of people think she is rock and sometimes she can be. Like "Loosing Grip" that is very rockeque for everything but the lyrics....

[wiccagal]: It's Insulting to rock to put avril under anything that even closely resembles rock.

[My own Disaster]: ha theres a lot worse music under rock than avril lavigne

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Yeah like "Yellowcard" for instance or even worse "The White Stripes" *shivers*

[My own Disaster]: ....i like white stripes 0_O

[_meowmeow_]: All right. "Avril Haters" has so much more credibility than this page - even for someone who may like Avril - because of its layout. This page is pure crap in regards to spelling, layout, grammar, and all-around readability. The best way to get people to see your way is to sound like you know what you're talking about. This page doesn't make the cut.

[My own Disaster]: oy...why bash a wiki?are you really that bored?...

[_meowmeow_]: Yeah. And I think this war is amusing.

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: *falls over laughing* thanks for the advice, I really do need to fix it, but I'm lazy, and my newly appointed Vice-president doesn't do much. *snickers* Anyway, eat my fuk or whatever, the white stripes suck! They don't even have a bass players and all of their lyrics and melodies are just themselves repeating on top of each other. K?

[My own Disaster]: haha eat my fuk or whatever?was that supposed to show that you dont care or something like that...haha...wow.....who said that you need a bass player/ fucking slipknot has like 10 and their new cd is fucking SHIT....atleast white stripes are doing something out of the norm.....and as for their melodies....they are catchy as hell...K?

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Yes they are catchy as hell and they get stuck in your head and you can't get them out until you drill a hole through it with a drill bit. and Slipknot sucks ass as well. Too many bass players, not enough, same dif! And the whatever i just add when someone has a crude and stupid name (plus I felt like being a bitch). K?

[My own Disaster]: hahaha crude?maybe....stupid...also a maybe....except *_* Smiley on ecstasy isnt much better...and thats funny about slipknot...they used to be good, huge amounts of bass back then and they were still good....so your telling me ot be a good band you have to have a bass and shit? what about pure electronic shit? my friend plays gutiar and keyboard and its damn good

[My own Disaster]: also...jack used bass in 7 nation army..you also didnt say anything about them trying to be different o_O

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Well electronic music sucks ass as well and which song is 7 nation army? What's the continueing line and beat for that one. PS my name is funny not crude for the sake of crude. But I'm sure in your infantile world it's funny.

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: And different for the sake of different is one of the most annoying things about the world today!

[My own Disaster]: lol electronic music sucks? lmao wow....damn... thats funny shit...i hope you dont like misfits...lots of their stuff went electronic(danzigs) and it is fucking insane...way better than this avril shit...and your names funny?tell me when the smile on my face is supposed to appear...and for the sake of being crude...never really thought that when i made it but i can see where your com,ming at on that...but that also wasnt the first thing i was thinknig of.. i was bored... so i created a name..so if i made a name that said -_- crying on crack wouldi get a couple laughs or?....

[My own Disaster]: different for being different is annoying? its called something new, not the same shit shoved down your throats, who wants to hear shit that sounds exactly like everyone elses shit?we have that now, alot of alternative 'new wave" is that and it SUCKS

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: I can't remember. But I checked out a band (think it was the misfits) a while back and yes I thought they sucked *thinks about it* Yeah I'm almost positive it was the Misfits. Also, I've changed my name like bout half a dozen times (i was bored) and not all of them were great.  But I rather like my current one and electronic music is not as good as Avril. At least her band can play their instruments well!

[My own Disaster]: lmao! lol oh man....lol wow...aha! jeuss i dont know what to say except that was the biggest pile of shit i've heard spewed for quite some time..avril is better than misfits right/how should i attack this 1......misfits have been around and are STILL around for how long/im not positive but i know its been a loooong time...avril will be in the "where are they now" category in 5 years...just like spice girls.god.....i hope everyone reads that post because i garunteed you get slammed for saying avril lavigne is better than misfits

[My own Disaster]: there, i made a poll...lets see how bad avril gets dominated shall we?

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: I said she was better than techno, which I suppose if the misfits are techno, then the music would be better. I never said anything about lyrics or talent. Also, Micheal Jackson has been around about as long if not longer than the misfits and the same with Morrissey. They both on the other hand suck ass! Don't patronize me by acting as if age brings talent. Avril lavigne is a good singer and her band is very good at playing their instruments. I saw them do a remake of "Gasoline" by Metallica and they were really good. The misfits on the other hand, well I wouldn't even know if the lyrics are good considering you can't a hear a word of it through the thick fog of techno bull shit!

[My own Disaster]: hahah except....metallica did remakes of misfits songs?...and saying michael jackson sucks is really just a slap in the face to all music...i really cant believe you siad that...do you have -any- idea how many people like/liked him when he was around? god do you have no respect for music?

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Omigod! You're pathetic. Do you really judge music by how big a following it have (or had) Micheal Jackson's music sucks. Omigod does it suck! The man can't sing, write music and dancing like he is a spastic (sp?) retard! You care way too much about not offending people or something. I mean what the fuck do you think I care if people get offended. Got news for you I don't. People get offended and that is why America is a free country. I have the right to offend as many people as I want and they have the right to get offended!

[My own Disaster]: haha if i cared about offending people would my name be so "crude" and yes, his dancing sucked,and no i dont listne to bands by their following...i listen to all kinds of stupid local bands but they are good..and jacksons a fucking genius.....just because it isnt odwn and depressed does it have to suck??

[My own Disaster]: also funny when misfits were considered "one of the greatest punk bands of the 90's" or something

[Diab Soule]: yea well about the misfits...I can understand what they're saying....they're a themed horror punk band...and i love then. they're fuckin awesome. avril murdered that metallica song...micheal jackson must be doing something right even though you say he sucks...people have been buying his music for ages while avril on the other hand is quickly trying to change her outward image so that people will continue to buy her shit. silly isn't it?     And there isn't that much techno in misfits music...in fact if you actually bothered to listen to their stuff you'll find that most of it DOESN'T HAVE ANY!!!! Don't fuckin criticize a band you obviously haven't listened to that much. 

[Diab Soule]: And I'm still waiting to here why the HELL you would call this place "Punks for Avril".....following her example by quickly categorizing yourself into a sub-culture or are you just plain ignorant?

[My own Disaster]: meh ghoulina.. i know you were reffering to her with the techno bit..but...when danzig went solo around his 5th album he then started using electronic stuff(check out his cd blackacidevil)...not techno but keyboard and all, but thanks for agreeing, now i dont feel so alone when im bashing this retard

[Discarnate Heart]: ahahah, this place is hilarious, Justin, you were right.

[Discarnate Heart]: The Misfits are awesome, and keyboards aren't techno....whoever thinks different must have been choked by thier umbilical chord while in the womb or something....seriously. If you guys like Avril and -TRULY- dont care about what people say about her then why do you have a wiki trying to justify all of this?

[Discarnate Heart]: i really do wish someone would say something....

[Diab Soule]: hey eat my fuk.. i wasn't talking about danzig though. i was talking the misfits. they did use some keyboard shit but not a ton of it as was implied. and regardless of what danzig does, he's still awesome.

[My own Disaster]: i know i know, i didnt see that she posted that misfits were techno above ^^, my apologies, and yes he does rock

[Discarnate Heart]: I agree with Ghoulina, Danzig kicks ass and anyone who says different probably hasn't taken the time to listen to him

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Okay I've obviously missed alot. But first off eat my fuk. You said the misfits were techno and I said that I wasn't sure if I had ever heard them (but I think I have) and that who I was thinking of was techno and did suck. So please no more twisting my words around. Also I find it to be really hilarious that ya'll are dissing Avril for changing her outward image to get people to by her albums, as compared to Micheal Jackson who doesn't. Avril Lavigne went from slightly cheesey to insanely cheesey. But Micheal Jackson went from Black man to white man. So please stop with the ignorance people, you are giving me a headache....

[My own Disaster]: hahahahahaha WRONG BITCH i said danzig used electronics!!! and danzig was from the misfits! read before you type, and only ghoulina mentioned anything about avril not "all of us"(also note i felt like i could call you a bitch for 2 reasons.....1) you called yourself 1 and 2) "this country is free and you have the right to be insulted")

[Diab Soule]: and why are you insulting avril? calling her cheesey? admitting that she IS a fake...but you still have this here? 

[My own Disaster]: is it just me or does it seem that me and ghoulina are like, making points and your just either a)making up things or b)contradicting the whole point of this wiki? and your calling us ignorant?funny shit

[Discarnate Heart]: hahahahahahahaha, this is very amusing and all but now this is dwindling down to a meager namecalling

[My own Disaster]: -crickets chirp-...........this sucks..

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Slink or whatever you've changed ur name to by now. I don't know if you're aware of it but you just totally fucked yourself and buried all of your little points and what you think you have against me. You're right you did say that Danzigs went techno and not specifically the misfits. And again i'm not even sure about the frickin misfits as I've pointed out about a million times. You think you have something on me by saying I said Avril was better than the misfits, which is totally absurb because by going by your logic I said Avril was better than Danzig. Which obviously I said no such thing, considering I was talking about her BAND! I also I said her BAND was better than techno bull shit!

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: I never said Avril's lyrics are better than Danzig (whoever the fuck that is). Because obviously I have no fucking idea. But you using your extremely demented logic came up with this crack pot analysis. Please stop wasting my time you are only making yourself look like more of an asshole and an idiot. Also to Ghoulina, you know that I think Avril's music is cheesey as hell, I didn't say she changed her music to get people to by her albums, but I do think her music has changed. Same with just about every other band you has ever produced an album. They don't all sound alike or else they would be crap. I personally don't like Avril's new album as I have previously stated but.....

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: I do like her origional album and thats why I bought it. Her new album is so incredibly lame and the only song that is good is "Nobody's home" the rest is about relationships and that annoys me. I have insulted Avril in the past and you Ghoulina of all people should know that because I was having a conversation with YOU! And as I've said "I will not fight for fullish pride". Also as I have previously stated IN THIS WIKI. I do not care if you think her music is good, or if you think she is a nice person. This is for the people who are tired of other people, who have absolutely no fricking life, who needlessly and boringly pick on Avril. So, to sum up. If all of you idiots would listen..

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: ... to anything that I say and have said you really have no fucking argument. Now that I have gotten all this out. Please go and get an argument and a point, not needlessly trying to twist my words or anybody elses words around especially when you can't even do it skillfully! PS Slink I know I'm a bitch, you don't need to explain yourself. PPS Ghoulina alot of that wasn't to you I know you have an argument is was mainly to slink! PPPS Slink please explain to me what was the point you made exactly, cause I can't find it....

[My own Disaster]: heh....give me a couple days to reply...my friend is dead and i feel no need for arguing at this time..

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Of course, I am very sorry for your loss... My deepest sympathy.

[Death's Die-Ary]: *Humps avril*

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Dude! That was lame! I mean.... c'mon?!

[TearZ]: *Humps avril*? Dude, she looks like a fucking drowned corpse! She wears tartan, and has sunken eyes... she's like a 3 week-old drowned jock. *shudder* and evanecence suck so much cock it's unbelievable.

[RoseAngel]: Okay, you can rat on Avril, but don't mess with Evanescence! ::growl::

[My own Disaster]: who are you guys talking about?like...amy lee...or the actual band?..because im lost

[RoseAngel]: I am too..but I had to defend anything that had to do with Evanescence....

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: This conversation is getting stupid. And yes, Evanescence MUST be DEFENDED!!!!!! ROCK ON!!!!!!!!!

[RoseAngel]: Woooo! Want to join my Evanescence wiki? Haha, ~*~White Forest~*~

[Diab Soule]:

JOHNNY ROTTEN SPEAKS

[Chynadoll]: wow ...uh...you guys...avril sucks...alot...major ass even

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: [Rose Angel], sure why not? And [Chynadoll] I can respect your opinion. lol.

[Another Blank Page]: hey i'm on the avril haters wiki but i think its REALLY sad all those freaks whomake an open attack on people that don't if so you are the posers and you are the idiots... and to the auther of this page I apologise for all of the above insults i dislike avril however i respect the fact that you don't and good look.. if you wish to talk to me feel free

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: That is highly appreciated. Its one thing to think that you are entitled to your opinion but then to think that no one else is entitled to theirs because it differs from yours is just so ignoramus! Anyway, thank you so much, so nice to know someone has a sense of decency. ^_^

[Another Blank Page]: cheers.. ^_^

[Tomboy3]: avril lavigne rocks she is the best

[Jesus™]: i agree with the fact that avril never said she was punk. I do not bleieve she is punk, she is just another sugar pop artists that the media and the public were able to make everyone think she was trying to be punk with missquotes and lieing about stuff that really happens. I don't think she is a punk or a poseur. (And im getting sick of people who constantly call people "posers" when they can't even spell poseur)

[Another Blank Page]: sorry was very tired at time meant to say good luck

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Very well stated [Jesus™] and thank you again [Another Blank Page]. Damn I sound like a teacher walking around the classroom. "good job Timmy" "Very good coloring inside of the lines" "9 + 8 is 17 not 28... stupid retard..."

[Another Blank Page]: its okay... just hate people who believe there opinion us better than others THATS WHY ITS CALLED A FUCKING OPINION

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Yeah they say they respect other peoples opinions. But in truth they only respect those opinions that agree with there own. *growls* Sometimes it is just better to punch them in the nose and walk away. lol.

[Another Blank Page]: lol

[Pontius Pilate]: You know, I don't like Avril's music, but she doesn't suck more than any other new bands, like Evanescence or Muse. My point is, I don't have some obsessive vendetta against her, but I don't like her, because she does suck.

[Pontius Pilate]: I just hate new bands in general.

[Another Blank Page]: cheer smashing pumpkin someone else with half a brain

[Another Blank Page]: i dislike avril but i dont hate her and im not gonna calll her a poser and im not gonna stop other people liking her cause thats why its called an opinion

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: I hate new bands in general. I like Evanescence though because Amy Lee can sing. And Avril is pop and she isn't a band. So I don't even count her. But seriously I judge alot of music on Launch by the release date before I give it too much of a chance.

[Pontius Pilate]: This is in response to the newest person on the "Assholes list":

[Pontius Pilate]: HOW THE FUCK can you can you call yourself a human being, fussing over a silly word like "punk"! First of all, Let me state my theory on the whole "punk" issue: PUNK DOESN'T EXIST. Punk is a loose term describing a group of teenagers who need to express their indivuality by being unoriginal. It is hardly a compliment if someone says you are a "true punk"; in fact, if they did, you would have to question their specific motives for calling you that AND analyze their definition of the word. You know what? Punk means nothing, and it should mean nothing. Why can't we live in a country (or continent) that DOESN't fuss over the meaning of a word that has no face value?

[Pontius Pilate]: So, dont go saying "avril isn't punk" like it matters! It Doesn't!

[Just_Fall_Away]: Avril Is A Really Good song writer at least I think I dont give a damn what people who hate Avril think

[Pontius Pilate]: And then they go and say Evanescence and Good Charlotte are? That's so stupid. Theyre all the same: they all suck.

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Good Charlotte is a boy band with mohawks!

[Valcrist]: sweet jesus how long will this fucking arguement last! this has to be a record man

[Just_Fall_Away]: No Kidding I just listen to Music and Like any music I like I could care less of Punk Rock Metal Whatever the hell you call it, just call it that Ill listen to whatever I like and if you don't like it, well it just shows your a really incompetent ass

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: I think you meant imcompetent ass?!

[Another Blank Page]: incompetent ass*

[Pontius Pilate]: Well, I listen to all kinds of music. But I only enjoy a select few types. But I'm willing to listen.

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: I'm really only a rock person myself but I listen to a select few artists from other genres...

[BadCat]: I don't really care for this argument, for or against... but if you're arguing that she's not punk--what genre would you classify Miss Lavigne?

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Definately pop/rock... and not even rock/pop. ^_^

[punk-chick]: okay i don't care if any of u like avril and everyone likes something diffrent but i mean i have to say she isn't punk and she has said it she says it right there in here cds

[punk-chick]: nobody bite my head off just stating my oppinion

[wenny_pooh88]: just so you people know there is two kinds of goth...there is hot topic goths(posers mostly).... then there is the ones that most of u people would go to the other side of the street to avoide. avril sucks

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Well that last one was fairly irrelavent. But I do like the fact that you said "Posers mostly" cause it really isn't fair to say that everyone that shops at hottopic is a poser, but it is typically the case.

[irulan]: Please note that wiki banners must follow the Uploading Art Rules. Therefore celebrity images cannot be used to make banners that will be displayed in houses. They will be removed from houses now. Please make a new banner - [TheRogue] has a link in his description to a wiki that provides an excellent tutorial on doing this. :)

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Mmmmkay, well we don't actually have a banner for peoples houses. Those are just decorations for the wiki. Sorry, if people put them in their houses, I'll add a disclaimer. Sorry for the trouble.

[irulan]: Oh no problem, thank you. :)

[x-xVanityx-x]: now, i disagree with the fact somebody said Avril was punk. In her biography, OFFICAL I may add, she claimed:"I'm in a pop rock genre and I'm not gonna change."

[Valcrist]: i think this argument went way too far does it really mater what the fuck she calls herself? i dont care if she called herself heavy mteal she shure as hell isnt but this argument is jus startin to annoy me

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[Diab Soule]: she said she was punk before that statement. She even admits to it. 

[Diab Soule]: avril haters

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Honestly! Who gives a fuck anymore?! I'm starting to agree with Valcrist. Does anybody want to relieve this wiki from me?

[Diab Soule]: you shouldn't have started somethin gyou couldn't fully support.

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Well I still like this wiki for peoples that support Avril and shit but why do people even care anymore. Sometimes, things just get old...

[Another Blank Page]: why do you try and change someone elses view just drop it..

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Oy vey! Good bye all. You guys can continue on this conversation but I am extracting myself from it. Currently, I just have too many actually important things on my mind to worry about whether Avril is punk or not...

[Another Blank Page]: why do you care?

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: I don't. Thats my point... its unimportant, a non issue. yeah know?

[♥CandyClouds♥]: Haha can I just point out that [betterdays813] guy or whatever spelt evanescence wrong! I'm not bothered what Avril is but whatever 'label' she is, shes amazing <3. And thats all I really care about. I love your wiki though. ^_^.

[Another Blank Page]: join plz Punk Will Never Die

[AbLam]: He...you guys should check out Avril Haters.

[Another Blank Page]: i'm on that aswell im on both

[Pontius Pilate]: Just what is punk? I am seriously looking for a definition. None of these bullshit "it's whatever you want to do", I want an ANSWER. Where is the line drawn between punk and not-punk?

[Vohod]: Avril Lavrine sold out, she isn't punk anymore jsut someone who took your sorry asses for all they were worth and left with the cash. If you think she is Punk then you are all Posers

[Vohod]: She isnt punk she is a psoer that took you for all you fools were worth and took the money and ran. She is like most 'punks' out there a poser

[Just_Fall_Away]: Dude you must be a complete moron you come into a wiki of people who actually like Avril Lavinge and start talking crap I mean you dont see us talking crap about your bands or anything so sod off plz, Im not speaking for everyone but if anyone agrees with me there ya go.

[Diab Soule]: Avril was never punk. She's manufactured. VERY manufactured. Even Good Charlotte hates her. Sum 41 wrote a song called "Avril is a Bitch". She gets dissed by fucking punk-pop bands. She quit school to follow in the footsteps of her idol, SHANIA TWAIN. If you care to read, avril haters. It's not just a fucking list. It gives you some insight into why Avril is disgusting. Why she's a fucking fake. Why she's a hypocrite. And I quote, "I am the Sid Vicious for a new generation!" and later "Why would I know who the Sex Pistols are?". C'mon people. Think about it.

[Just_Fall_Away]: Ok, and we care why? Dude maybe you havent noticed but we dont care about if shes punk or not

[Diab Soule]: Well let's see...what's the name of the Wiki? Just...remind me. Please.

[Just_Fall_Away]: Well have you even read our past comments?

[Diab Soule]: then how about you change the name of the wiki instead of still giving off the idea that you presume to be something that you're clearly not.

[Just_Fall_Away]: Well do I look the the senior advisor? didnt think so

[Diab Soule]: Then why are you going crazy? I mean. I was just stating a fact. I wasn't ranting or losing my cool the way you are. You need to quit being so serious when people state their opinions. When I give you some truth that isn't to your liking, you freak out and proceed to call me names. I'm leaving because I don't feel it wise to promote such stupidity and I refuse to egg you on. And it's spelled "advisor". Thought you'd like to know. Have a nice day. And by the way, I'm friends with the maker of this wiki. I do this to keep you kids on your toes.

[Just_Fall_Away]: Ok yeah theres things I coudlve not needed to say its just pretty annoying when people walk in here and say things not needed especially in a wiki full of people that actually like her music

[Diab Soule]: Yes but it's a wiki that has falsified information. For example, saying that she never said she was punk. Yes. She did. The reason I was so infuriated with her at first was because of an artical I read where she was claiming that she was a punk and always had been. The reason she did all this, was because she's been paid to appeal to a certain image. That's what is so disgusting about the whole thing. She's a corporate puppet. She doesn't care about her music as much as she cares about the money...that's why I don't like her. Sure, her music isn't my cup of tea and she butchered Chop Suey but you know...who cares? She did it to be cool. Not because she appreciates the music.

[Diab Soule]: That's all I was trying to say. I wouldn't ever come in here, presuming that my musical taste is better than any of yours. Youc an't do taht because well..everyone likes what they like. I was just giving some information about the person that you're listening to. Letting you know where all this stuff you listen to is coming from. Who it's coming from. What kind of a person she says she is and what kind of a person she really is. That's all. It's to inform. Not to put down people for liking her. That's all. 

[Just_Fall_Away]: Alright Its nice to know but I want ya to know I said I like Avril Lavigne in reference to the band, and even her, so what im trying to say is that I could really care less what you think about how she presents herself she may be scum or whatever, who knows for all we know those things you read could be false, you never really know unless you watched her say it. I just believe in the better of people is whats my problem, anyway, I like her music may be from a ruthless scumbag or actually a punk girl who's imagine has been torn apart. But whichever she can make good music to my ear.

[Pontius Pilate]: You want put-downs? Go to my wiki, Your Music Sucks.

[Just_Fall_Away]: Ya thats right we want put downs. . .*shakes head in shame*

[CALUM TO THE MAX]: if anybody here has heard avrils cover of chop suey by soad it will officially make them hate her forever

[Itsme2]: Does it really matter if you hate Avril or not? I mean, seriously, what is the point of coming to this wiki and arguing about it? I'm wasting my own time just by saying this.

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: This wiki is officially running itself. Goodbye people. Message me if you want it.

[Lanrete]: Who the hell cares what she dresses like? I mean, if you've got nothing better to do with your life than read crappy celebrity magazines, then fine, have fun but you need to get a life. If you've got something better to do, like actually listening to her music, then isn't that what counts? She's a musician, so she should be judged by her musical talents, not her style. I don't really care either way about her music, I'm not about to go out and buy it, but i can listen to it without screaming in agony. And sure, I'm sure she's a bit of a conformist, in that she doesn't dress the way she dresses because that's what she likes, but because that's what she thinks will help her sell more albums

[Lanrete]: , etc. But really, no one should really care about this shit. It's kind of sad, actually, that we all waste our time arguing over someone's clothes...

[punx unite]: YOU BUM HOLES!!!!!!!!!! SHE SUCKS COMPLETLEY!!! SHE CANT MUSIC AND SHES A POSER SO SHE SUCKS!!!!!!!!!

[Tyvaz]: Avril is not even teh P in PUNK. Who thinks she is must be called either a lost soul or a poser. And Avril is not a non-comformist. Varg Vikernes for instance is a non-conformist!

And that is not music, its blasphemous ruining of an art form!